if you're a member other public and party and people are saying obama is terrible, what your replacement for obamacare and dodd-frank? we don't want to get into that right now. that's not serious governing party. in that respect having a leader won't be enough to having serious policies of the national level comparable to those a lot of governors are in pursuit of the state level. >> i think there's a movement issue. i were to do. the conservative movement came into fruition with reagan in 1980. it's now, as a governing force, it's now three decades old. a lot of what goes on in movements, as result of three decades and a lot of groups getting involved and a lot of interest groups on the right is a kind of choking off of a lot of conversation because if you start down the road the bill is going to you start talking about what is the kind of regulation you should have. and instantly you trigger a regulation, bad, regulation is bad so, therefore, talking about regulation, particularly among the republican audience, particularly in a republican presidential debate becomes the know know. som